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Chapter 2

The Problem of Hell—Why Every View Must Answer to Love

A Question That Will Not Go Away

There is a question that haunts the Christian faith. It is not a new question. It has been asked by saints and skeptics, by grieving parents and curious children, by philosophy professors and Sunday school teachers. It is a question that, once you really hear it, you cannot unhear. And it goes like this:

Why would a perfectly good and loving God send anyone to eternal suffering in hell?

That is the problem of hell in a single sentence.1 It sounds simple. It is not. Behind that one question lies a tangle of assumptions about God, about justice, about love, about freedom, about the nature of punishment, and about the ultimate destiny of human beings. Entire libraries have been written in an attempt to answer it. Yet the question endures, because every proposed answer seems to create new problems of its own.

In this chapter, I want to do three things. First, I want to define the problem of hell precisely—because the way you define a problem has everything to do with whether you can solve it. Second, I want to establish the criteria that any adequate solution must meet. What counts as a good answer? What should we demand from any view of hell that claims to be faithful to Scripture and to the character of God? Third, I want to introduce the four standard options that theologians and philosophers have proposed—and preview why each of them, in the end, falls short in at least one important way. That preview will set the stage for the rest of this book, where we will build a case for a fifth option: the divine presence model of hell.

But before we get into the theology, I need to say something personal. I did not come to this topic as a detached observer. I came as someone who was terrified of the answer. For years, I believed that the traditional view of hell—eternal conscious torment, inflicted by God on the wicked as punishment for their sins—was the only biblically faithful option. And for years, that belief ate away at my confidence in the goodness of God. I could not look at a newborn baby without wondering: What if this child grows up and rejects the gospel? Will God torture this child forever? I could not read "God is love" in 1 John 4:8 without a small, nagging voice in my head whispering, But He also tortures people without end.

If you have ever felt that tension, you are not alone. And you are not wrong to feel it. The tension is real. It is not a sign of weak faith. It is a sign that your moral instincts about God are working the way they should. The question is whether the tension can be resolved—and if so, how.

That is what this chapter is about.

Defining the Problem

The problem of hell is a specific version of the problem of evil. The broader problem of evil asks: why does a good and powerful God allow suffering? The problem of hell sharpens that question to a razor point: why would a good and loving God not merely allow suffering, but consign people to it—and not just for a time, but forever?2

Philosopher R. Zachary Manis, whose work is one of the primary foundations of this book, puts it this way: the problem of hell arises from the tension between two claims that most Christians hold simultaneously. The first is that God is perfectly good, perfectly loving, and all-powerful. The second is that some people will exist for all eternity in hell.3 If both of these claims are true, we need an explanation of how they fit together. That explanation is what philosophers call a "solution" to the problem of hell.

Jonathan Kvanvig, another major philosopher of hell, has argued that this problem is not limited to Christianity. Any worldview that combines belief in a good and powerful God with belief in an afterlife that reaches a final state must grapple with the possibility that someone might fail to reach their highest good—and that this failure might become permanent. That permanent failure is damnation, whatever form it takes.4 So the problem of hell is not just a Christian problem. It is a deeply human problem. But for Christians specifically, it cuts to the bone, because the God we worship is not merely powerful—He is love itself.

What makes the problem of hell especially difficult—more difficult, in some ways, than the general problem of evil—is that the usual escape routes do not work here. With ordinary suffering, a theologian can appeal to mystery: "We do not know why God allows this particular evil, but perhaps there is a reason beyond our understanding." This approach, sometimes called skeptical theism, says that our human perspective is simply too limited to judge whether a given evil is truly pointless.5

But hell is different. We do not learn about hell from experience the way we learn about earthquakes or cancer. We learn about hell from the very religious traditions that also tell us about God’s goodness and love. And those traditions typically claim to know the purpose of hell—they say it is punishment for sin, or a consequence of rejecting God, or an expression of divine justice. You cannot appeal to mystery about the purpose of an evil when you have already declared what the purpose is.6 That is why the problem of hell is so hard. The tradition that gives us the doctrine also gives us the claims that make the doctrine so troubling.

Three Problems in One

When we dig deeper, the problem of hell turns out to be not one problem but at least three. Manis identifies them as the problem of justice, the problem of love, and the problem of coercion.7 Each attacks the doctrine of hell from a different angle, and each must be answered by any view of hell that claims to be adequate. Understanding these three problems is essential before we try to solve anything.

The Problem of Justice

The most famous objection to hell is the objection from justice. It goes like this: hell, as traditionally understood, involves eternal suffering as punishment for sins committed during a finite lifetime. But an infinite punishment for finite sins is out of all proportion. No matter how terrible a person’s crimes might be, they are still finite. The suffering of hell, if it is truly eternal and conscious, is infinite. An infinite punishment for finite wrongdoing is unjust. Therefore, a just God would not impose it.8

This is a powerful objection, and defenders of the traditional view have worked hard to answer it. The most common answer goes back to Anselm and Aquinas: since God is an infinitely great being, a sin against God is an infinitely serious offense, and therefore an infinite punishment is proportionate after all.9 The idea is that the seriousness of an offense is determined not just by what the offender does but by the moral status of the one offended. Killing a dog is bad; killing a human being is far worse. If God is infinitely greater than any creature, then offending God is infinitely worse than offending any creature, and infinite punishment is the only proportionate response.

There is something initially appealing about this argument. But it has serious problems. Manis identifies two that I find decisive.10

First, the argument ignores the role of understanding. We rightly recognize that guilt is partly a function of how well the offender understands what he or she is doing. That is why we do not punish children the same way we punish adults, and why we treat the mentally ill differently from those who act with full understanding. If infinite guilt requires perfect understanding of what one is doing when one wrongs God, then no finite human being could ever incur infinite guilt—because no finite mind can fully comprehend the infinite God.11

Second, and even more striking: when a lesser being wrongs a greater being, our moral instincts tell us that this decreases rather than increases the appropriate punishment. If a dog mauls a child, we do not think the dog deserves to be tortured because of the great difference in status between dog and child. In fact, the greater the gap, the more absurd extreme punishment becomes. Imagine torturing a cobra for biting a human. The absurdity grows as the gap widens. And the gap between God and humanity is infinitely greater than the gap between a human and a cobra.12

The problem of justice, then, is a real problem. Any view of hell that includes endless suffering as retribution for finite sins has a very difficult time explaining how this squares with a just God.

Key Argument: The problem of justice asks whether infinite punishment for finite sins can ever be proportionate. The standard answer—that sins against an infinite God deserve infinite punishment—fails because guilt requires understanding, and no finite being can fully comprehend the infinite God.

The Problem of Love

The problem of love cuts even deeper. Even if you could somehow solve the justice problem—even if you could show that eternal punishment is technically fair—you would still have to explain how it is loving.

Here is the heart of it. Christians believe that God loves every human being with agape love—the highest, most self-giving love there is. And to love someone with agape love means to will that person’s highest good, insofar as you are able.13 This is not some controversial philosophical claim. It is basic Christianity. "God so loved the world" (John 3:16). "God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8). Love wills the good of the beloved. That is what love is.

Now here is the problem. On the traditional view, the purpose of hell is retribution—the wicked get what they deserve. Retributive punishment, by definition, is not aimed at the moral improvement of the one being punished. It is not trying to fix anyone. It is trying to balance the scales of justice. But if God is punishing people without any intention of helping them, reforming them, or bringing them to a better place, then He is not willing their highest good. And if He is not willing their highest good, then He is not loving them—at least not with agape love.14

Think about that for a moment. A parent who punishes a child in order to teach the child right from wrong is acting in love. A parent who punishes a child purely to make the child suffer, with no intention of correction or improvement, is acting in cruelty. We all know the difference. The question is: which picture looks more like God?

Defenders of the traditional view have tried several ways around this. Some argue that punishing the wicked shows love to the victims of the wicked—it vindicates their dignity.15 That may be true as far as it goes, but it does not solve the problem. The problem of love is not whether God can show love to someone by punishing the wicked. The problem is whether God shows love to the wicked themselves. A God who sacrifices some people’s good to promote the good of others is not maximally loving toward everyone—and that compromises divine perfection.16

Others have tried to argue that sending people to hell respects their dignity by honoring their free choices.17 Again, there is something to this. But dignity is not the same as highest good. Giving a heroin addict more heroin satisfies their immediate desire—it even respects their autonomy in some sense—but no one would call it loving. Loving the addict means willing the addict’s highest good, which includes freedom from addiction. In the same way, the highest good of every human being includes fellowship with God and moral transformation. A punishment that makes no effort toward either of these cannot be an expression of agape love.18

Manis concludes—and I agree with him—that the problem of love is at least as serious as the problem of justice, and probably more so. Any view of hell built on pure retribution has no adequate answer to the question: How is this loving?19

The Problem of Coercion

The third problem is less commonly discussed but no less important. Manis calls it the problem of coercion, though it could also be called the problem of belief.20

Here is the issue. Most versions of the traditional view hold that one of the main reasons people end up in hell is that they failed to believe the right things about God, or failed to put their faith in Christ, or failed to respond to the gospel. But belief is not something you can just decide to have. You cannot force yourself to believe something any more than you can force yourself to be six feet tall. Belief is a response to evidence, experience, and circumstances—many of which are outside your control.21

If belief is significantly shaped by factors beyond our control—the family we were born into, the culture we grew up in, the quality of the Christian witness we were exposed to, the intellectual and emotional barriers we face—then it seems deeply unfair to punish people eternally for not believing. Manis develops this concern at length, showing that the conditions under which people form their beliefs about God are wildly unequal. Some people grow up surrounded by loving Christians and compelling evidence for faith. Others grow up in contexts where Christianity is entirely unknown, or where the only Christianity they encounter is abusive, hypocritical, or intellectually embarrassing.22

This problem is especially acute for the traditional view because it means that God would be punishing people eternally for a failure that was at least partly beyond their control. And that seems to collapse back into the problem of justice in a new and devastating form.

Together, these three problems—justice, love, and coercion—form a kind of triple challenge that any view of hell must face. A truly adequate view must answer all three, not just one. And as we will see, most of the standard options manage to answer one or two of these problems while making the third one worse.

Insight: The problem of hell is not one problem but three: the problem of justice (Is eternal punishment proportionate?), the problem of love (Can retributive punishment be loving?), and the problem of coercion (Is it fair to punish people for beliefs they couldn’t control?). Any adequate view of hell must answer all three.

What Counts as an Adequate Solution?

Before we look at the standard options, we need to ask a prior question: what are the criteria by which we should judge them? What makes a solution to the problem of hell adequate?

This is a more important question than it might seem. Different people bring different non-negotiable commitments to the table, and these commitments determine what they are willing to accept. Manis helpfully identifies several categories of criteria that people typically use to evaluate a view of hell.23

There are biblical criteria: Does the view fit what Scripture actually teaches? Can it account for the major passages about hell, judgment, and the final state? There are traditional criteria: Does the view have support in the history of the church? Is it consistent with the great creeds and the teaching of the Church Fathers? There are theological criteria: Is the view consistent with the core attributes of God—His goodness, His love, His justice, His sovereignty? There are philosophical criteria: Is the view logically coherent? Does it respect human freedom? Can it be defended rationally? And there are moral criteria: Does the view comport with our deepest moral convictions about right and wrong, fairness and proportionality?24

No one can hold all of these criteria at maximum strength simultaneously. If you insist that the only adequate view is one that every Church Father agreed on, you will find that no view qualifies—because the Fathers themselves disagreed.25 If you set the bar too low, the problem disappears: you could "solve" it by simply denying that God exists, or by saying that God is not actually good. The interesting version of the problem arises when we hold enough commitments to make the problem real but not so many that a solution becomes impossible.26

Here, then, is where I lay my cards on the table. These are the criteria that I believe any adequate view of hell must meet:

First, it must accord with the entirety of Scripture. Not just a few proof texts, but the whole sweep of the biblical narrative—from creation to new creation, from Genesis to Revelation. It must be able to account for the hard passages about judgment and fire and destruction and the passages about God’s relentless love and desire that none should perish.27

Second, it must be consistent with the most central attributes of God—above all, that God is love (1 John 4:8, 16). This does not mean we flatten out the divine character or ignore God’s holiness and justice. It means that holiness and justice must be understood as expressions of love, not as competing with it. If your view of hell makes God less loving than the best human parent you know, something has gone wrong.28

Third, it must have significant support in the Christian tradition—and not just the Western tradition. One of the things I have come to believe, as we will see in later chapters, is that the Eastern Christian tradition preserved insights about hell and God’s nature that the West largely lost after Augustine. A view that has support in both East and West is stronger than one that has support in only one.29

Fourth, it must be philosophically defensible. It must be logically coherent. It must not require us to believe contradictions. It must respect the role of human freedom in the moral life.

And fifth, it must be morally serious. It must not trivialize sin, cheapen grace, or empty judgment of its reality. The problem of hell is not solved by pretending that nothing is at stake. Everything is at stake.30

These are my criteria. They are not unusual. Most thoughtful Christians would agree with most of them. But when you lay them all out together and ask which view of hell meets all of them, the landscape shifts. The traditional view, which many assume to be the obvious answer, turns out to have serious trouble with the criteria about love, justice, and proportionality. And the alternatives have their own difficulties. That is what makes this so hard—and so important.

One more thing before we look at the options. Manis makes an important distinction between two different kinds of solutions to the problem of hell. A defense is a minimal solution: it shows that it is at least possible for God to be good and for hell to exist. Think of it as meeting the bare logical requirement. A theodicy is a stronger solution: it provides an explanation that is not merely possible but actually plausible—one that the defender believes is true or at least very likely true.31 Most thoughtful Christians are not satisfied with a bare defense. We want a theodicy. We want to understand why a loving God would allow hell, not just to be told that the two are logically compatible. The divine presence model, which we will begin to build in the chapters ahead, aims at theodicy. It aims to show not just that hell is compatible with a loving God but how hell flows from the very love of God.

The Four Standard Options

For centuries, the debate over hell has revolved around four basic positions. Manis calls them the "four standard options."32 Each has able defenders. Each has real strengths. And each, as we will see, has at least one serious weakness. Understanding them clearly is essential before we can see why a fifth option is needed.

Option One: Traditionalism (Eternal Conscious Torment)

Traditionalism, also known as eternal conscious torment or ECT, is the view that most Western Christians have grown up with. It holds that hell is a state of endless, conscious suffering, imposed by God as just punishment for sin. Once a person enters hell, there is no escape—ever. The suffering never ends. The wicked are alive, conscious, and in pain for all eternity.33

The biblical case for this view rests on several key passages. Jesus speaks of "eternal punishment" in Matthew 25:46. Revelation 14:11 says that "the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever." Mark 9:48 describes a place "where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched." These are weighty texts, and we will examine them carefully in later chapters of this book.34

Theologically, traditionalism rests on two ideas: the infinite gravity of sin against an infinite God, and the demand of divine justice that sin be punished proportionately. Its most famous defenders include Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin, and Jonathan Edwards.35 Jerry Walls notes that for most of Christian history, belief in eternal hell was simply taken for granted—it was part of the furniture of the Christian mind, as unquestioned as the existence of God Himself.36

What does traditionalism get right? Quite a bit. It takes sin seriously. It affirms the reality of judgment. It insists that our choices have consequences that outlast this life. These are all genuinely important truths, and any view of hell that loses them has lost something essential.

But traditionalism also faces devastating problems. As we have already seen, it struggles with the problem of justice (infinite punishment for finite sins) and the problem of love (retributive punishment that is not aimed at the good of the punished). It also struggles with the problem of coercion, because it implies that billions of people are eternally tortured for failing to believe things they never had a fair chance to hear. We will return to these problems in much greater depth in Chapters 9 and 10.

Option Two: Annihilationism (Conditional Immortality)

Annihilationism, also called conditional immortality or conditionalism, holds that the wicked do not suffer forever. Instead, after a period of judgment, they are destroyed—they cease to exist. The "eternal punishment" of which Jesus speaks is eternal in its result (permanent destruction) but not in its process (endless torment). The second death is a real death: the end of the person.37

This view has deep roots. Jesus Himself said that God can "destroy both soul and body in Gehenna" (Matthew 10:28). Paul speaks of the wicked facing "destruction" (2 Thessalonians 1:9; Philippians 3:19). The language of Scripture, annihilationists argue, overwhelmingly points to death, destruction, and perishing—not to endless conscious torment.38 Notable defenders include Edward Fudge, John Stott, and Clark Pinnock.

What does annihilationism get right? It takes seriously the biblical language of destruction. It avoids the problem of disproportionate punishment, since the wicked are not tormented forever. And it preserves the seriousness of judgment: to be destroyed by God is no small thing.

Where does it struggle? Its main weakness lies in explanation. How does destruction happen? What is the mechanism? Is it an act of divine violence—God actively snuffing out a soul? Or is it something else? If God simply annihilates the wicked by a sovereign act of power, this raises troubling questions of its own. Is it loving to destroy someone rather than continue working for their restoration? Annihilationism tells us the outcome but not the process, and that gap needs to be filled.39 We will explore this in depth in Chapter 12.

Option Three: Universalism

Universalism is the view that all human beings will eventually be saved. Hell may be real, but it is temporary—a painful but ultimately redemptive process through which every soul is eventually purified and reconciled to God. In the end, God gets what God wants: the salvation of every person He has ever made.40

The biblical case for universalism includes passages like Colossians 1:19–20 ("God was pleased to reconcile to himself all things"), 1 Corinthians 15:22 ("as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive"), 1 Timothy 2:4 ("God wants all people to be saved"), and Romans 11:32 ("God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all"). These are powerful texts. They envision a scope of salvation that is as wide as creation itself.41

Universalism has ancient roots. Several early Church Fathers, including Gregory of Nyssa and Clement of Alexandria, taught a version of it.42 In modern times, it has been defended with great philosophical rigor by Thomas Talbott and with dazzling theological argument by David Bentley Hart.

What does universalism get right? It takes the love of God with absolute seriousness. If God truly loves every person and is truly all-powerful, the universalist asks, how can His love ultimately fail to win every heart? It also handles the universal-scope texts of Scripture more naturally than any other view.

Where does it struggle? The most common objection is that it seems to undermine human freedom. If everyone will eventually be saved regardless of their choices, do our choices really matter? Can a God who guarantees universal salvation also be a God who genuinely respects the freedom of His creatures?43 Universalism also has difficulty with the biblical passages that seem to speak of a finality to the judgment—passages where the door is shut, the separation is permanent, and there is no going back. We will examine universalism in detail in Chapter 13.

Option Four: The Choice Model

The choice model, sometimes called the free-will view of hell, holds that the damned are in hell because they freely choose to be there. God does not send anyone to hell against their will. Rather, God respects human freedom so deeply that He allows people to reject Him, even eternally. Hell is not something God does to people; it is something people do to themselves.44

The most famous literary expression of this view comes from C. S. Lewis, who wrote in The Great Divorce that the doors of hell are locked from the inside.45 Among philosophers, it has been developed with great sophistication by Jerry Walls and Eleonore Stump, among others.46

What does the choice model get right? It takes human freedom seriously. It removes from God the charge of being a cosmic torturer—He is not inflicting punishment but honoring choice. It also avoids the problem of coercion: people are not being punished for beliefs they could not control; they are living with the consequences of choices they have freely made.

Where does it struggle? The choice model has a subtle but serious problem with love. If God is all-powerful and perfectly loving, and if love means willing the highest good of the beloved, why would God simply stand by and watch someone choose eternal ruin? A good parent does not merely "respect the freedom" of a toddler running toward a cliff. A good parent intervenes.47 The choice model can look like divine neglect dressed up as divine respect. It also raises hard questions about whether anyone could truly choose eternal misery with full knowledge of what they are choosing—a question Thomas Talbott has pressed with great force.48 We will examine the choice model in depth in Chapter 11.

Why None of the Four Is Enough

Here is the uncomfortable truth. Each of the four standard options has real strengths, and each captures something important about what the Bible teaches and what we know about God. But each one also has a significant weakness—a point where it falls short of at least one of the criteria for an adequate solution.

Traditionalism honors the seriousness of sin and the reality of judgment, but it fails the test of love and proportionate justice. Annihilationism handles the language of destruction well, but it leaves the mechanism unexplained and raises questions about whether destruction can be loving. Universalism takes God’s love with radical seriousness, but it seems to struggle with human freedom and with the biblical language of finality. The choice model respects freedom, but it risks making God a passive bystander in the ruin of His own children.

Manis observes something very important at this point. Each of the four views seems to enjoy its strongest support from a different source. Traditionalism has the strongest support from the Christian tradition—it is the majority view in the West for most of church history. Annihilationism may have the strongest purely biblical support, especially when you tally up all the passages that speak of death, destruction, and perishing. And universalism seems to enjoy the strongest support from philosophical, theological, and moral reasoning—from our deepest convictions about what a perfectly loving God would do.49 No single view wins on every front. This may explain why all three views can be found among the early Church Fathers, and why the debate continues to this day.

Key Argument: Each of the four standard views of hell excels in one area while struggling in another. Traditionalism wins on tradition but fails on love. Annihilationism wins on biblical language but lacks a mechanism. Universalism wins on the character of God but struggles with freedom. The choice model wins on freedom but struggles with love. A truly adequate view must handle all of these concerns simultaneously.

This is exactly where the divine presence model enters the picture. It does not simply pick a side in the old debate. It reframes the question entirely. Instead of asking, "Does God punish the wicked with torment, destroy them, save them, or let them choose?" it asks a different question: "What happens when a hardened, rebellious heart encounters the undiluted, all-consuming love of a holy God?"

The answer, as we will see, is that the same divine reality—God’s overwhelming love—is experienced as paradise by those who welcome it and as torment by those who hate it. The fire is the same fire. The difference is in the heart that receives it. This is not a new idea. It is an ancient one, rooted in the Greek-speaking church of the first centuries, preserved in the Eastern Orthodox tradition, and now being rediscovered in the West through the work of scholars like Manis, Baker, and others. It is the thesis of this book, and we will build the case for it piece by piece in the chapters ahead.

The Character of God Is the Real Question

Before we move on, I want to step back and make a point that is easy to miss in the middle of all the philosophical arguments. The problem of hell is not, at its deepest level, a problem about the fate of the wicked. It is a problem about the character of God.50

What I mean is this. When people struggle with the doctrine of hell, they are not usually worried about abstract questions of proportionate punishment or the metaphysics of eternal existence. What keeps them up at night is a question about God: "Can I trust a God who would do that?" The real question behind the problem of hell is always: What kind of God are we dealing with?

Is God a loving Father who disciplines His children for their good and never stops pursuing them? Or is God an offended judge who demands infinite payment for every insult to His honor? Is God the One who leaves the ninety-nine sheep to go after the one that is lost? Or is God the One who, after a certain point, stops looking?

These are not minor theological details. They are the most important questions in the universe. And your view of hell is, whether you realize it or not, your answer to them.

Sharon Baker, another key source for this book, tells the story of how she first encountered the doctrine of hell as a young woman and was so frightened that she took out "fire insurance"—she believed in Jesus not because she was drawn by love but because she was terrified of punishment.51 She is not alone. Millions of Christians have come to faith primarily through fear of hell rather than love of God. And while fear can be a legitimate starting point, a faith built on fear of God’s punishment is a faith built on a distorted picture of who God is.

Alexandre Kalomiros, an Orthodox theologian whose brilliant essay The River of Fire we will draw on throughout this book, argued that Western Christianity’s distorted view of God—God as angry judge, God as cosmic torturer—was the single greatest cause of atheism in the modern world. The West, Kalomiros said, turned God into the very monster that the devil always wanted people to think He was. And then people, rightly horrified by this monster, rejected Him.52 The tragedy is not that they rejected God. The tragedy is that the "God" they rejected was never the real God in the first place.

This is why the problem of hell matters so much. It is not just an academic exercise. It is a question about whether the God of the universe is ultimately trustworthy. And the answer to that question changes everything—how we pray, how we evangelize, how we raise our children, how we grieve, how we hope.

If God is love—if He is really, truly, all the way down, without exception or qualification, love—then every doctrine of hell must answer to that love. Every view of judgment must be tested against that love. Every picture of the afterlife must be measured by that love. The view that passes the test is the view that preserves both the terrifying reality of hell and the unchanging goodness of God.

That is the view this book will defend.

Objections and Responses

“Aren’t You Just Making God Nicer Than He Really Is?”

Someone might object: "All this talk about love sounds like you are trying to domesticate God. You want a comfortable God, a God who never does anything scary or harsh. But the Bible portrays a God who is fearsome, who judges, who destroys. You cannot ignore that."

I agree completely. I have no interest in a domesticated God. The God of the Bible is terrifying. He is a consuming fire (Hebrews 12:29). The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom (Proverbs 9:10). Standing before the holy God is the most fearsome experience any creature will ever have.53

But here is the question: What makes God fearsome? Is He fearsome because He is cruel, capricious, and vindictive? Or is He fearsome because His love is so intense, so pure, so absolutely uncompromising that nothing impure can survive in its presence? The divine presence model argues the latter. God’s fire is terrifying precisely because it is love—love that burns away everything that is false, selfish, and corrupt. For those who welcome that purification, the fire is salvation. For those who cling to their sin, the fire is agony. But it is the same fire either way.54

Far from making God "nicer," the divine presence model makes God more fearsome than the traditional view does. Under the traditional view, you can escape God’s presence by going to hell—hell is understood as separation from God. Under the divine presence model, there is no escape. God is everywhere. His love is inescapable. And that love will either transform you or consume you. There is no safe distance from which to negotiate.

“Isn’t the Problem of Hell Already Solved? Most Christians Accept Eternal Conscious Torment.”

Another objection: "The vast majority of Christians throughout history have held to the traditional view. If ECT has been the dominant view for two thousand years, why should we think it is wrong?"

This is a serious objection, and it deserves a respectful answer. The weight of tradition is not nothing. When most of the church has believed something for most of its history, we should be very cautious about overturning it.55

But we should also be accurate about what the tradition actually is. The claim that ECT has been the unanimous view of the church is simply false. In the early centuries—before Augustine’s massive influence reshaped Western theology—there was significant diversity of opinion. Gregory of Nyssa taught universal restoration. Clement of Alexandria leaned in the same direction. Even Origen, though later condemned on other grounds, was not condemned for his belief in the eventual restoration of all souls.56 In the Eastern Church, the view that hell is the experience of God’s love by those who reject it has been a mainstream position for centuries, articulated by saints like Isaac the Syrian, Maximus the Confessor, and many others.57

The dominance of ECT is largely a Western phenomenon, shaped by Augustine’s particular theological framework and reinforced by centuries of institutional repetition. It is a serious position with serious defenders. But it is not the only ancient position, and it is certainly not the only one with biblical and patristic support. We will explore this history in much more detail in the chapters ahead.

“If You Start Questioning Hell, Where Do You Stop? Won’t the Whole Faith Unravel?”

This is probably the most common fear, and I understand it. Many Christians have been taught that their faith is like a house of cards: pull out one card and the whole thing collapses. If you question eternal conscious torment, the next thing you know, you will be questioning the resurrection.

But this fear is unfounded. Questioning the mechanism of hell is not the same as questioning the reality of hell. Questioning whether God tortures people forever is not the same as questioning whether God judges sin. The divine presence model affirms everything that the creeds affirm: the resurrection of the dead, the final judgment, the life of the world to come. It simply offers a different—and, I believe, more biblical and more ancient—understanding of what hell actually is.58

In fact, I would argue that it is the traditional view that threatens to unravel faith. How many young people have walked away from Christianity not because they stopped believing in God but because they could not believe in a God who tortures people forever? How many sincere seekers have been turned away from the gospel because the "good news" came with the fine print of eternal torment for most of humanity?59 Baker tells the stories of students and friends who love God but cannot reconcile that love with the horror of ECT. She is not describing weak faith. She is describing healthy moral intuition in conflict with bad theology.60

Questioning a specific doctrine of hell is not the first step on a slippery slope. It is the first step toward a more honest, more biblical, more ancient, and ultimately more hopeful understanding of the God who is love.

Common Objection: “If you question eternal conscious torment, you are undermining the Bible and the Christian tradition.” Response: The divine presence model does not reject hell, judgment, or the authority of Scripture. It offers a different understanding of how God’s judgment works—one that is older than Augustine and more faithful to the character of God as revealed in Jesus Christ.

Where We Go from Here

We have covered a lot of ground in this chapter. We defined the problem of hell and saw that it is really three problems in one: the problem of justice, the problem of love, and the problem of coercion. We established the criteria that any adequate view of hell must meet: scriptural fidelity, consistency with God’s love, support in the tradition, philosophical coherence, and moral seriousness. We surveyed the four standard options—traditionalism, annihilationism, universalism, and the choice model—and previewed the strengths and weaknesses of each. And we argued that the deepest question behind the problem of hell is not about the fate of the wicked but about the character of God.

In the next chapter, we will look more closely at each of the four standard options, giving each one a fair hearing and identifying precisely where it falls short. That chapter will serve as a kind of clearing of the ground—showing why a new option is needed before we begin to build one.

Then, beginning in Chapter 4, we will lay the theological foundation for everything that follows: the nature of God as love. That chapter will argue that "God is love" is not a slogan or a sentiment. It is the deepest truth about the nature of ultimate reality. And every doctrine of hell must be built on that foundation—or it is built on sand.

We have a long journey ahead of us. But the destination is worth the walk. Because if the divine presence model is right—if hell is not the work of a God who tortures but the experience of a God who loves—then we can trust God completely. Not just with our salvation, but with the fate of every human being who has ever lived. Not just with the people we love, but with the people we fear for. Not just with eternity, but with the questions that haunt us in the middle of the night.

The fire of God is real. But the fire is love. And love, even when it burns, is always aimed at restoration.

That is the thesis of this book. And we are just getting started.

Notes

1. R. Zachary Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God: An Essay on the Problem of Hell (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2019), p. 1. Manis frames the problem with exactly this question.

2. Jonathan L. Kvanvig, The Problem of Hell (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1993), Introduction. Kvanvig argues that the problem of hell is the most difficult species of the problem of evil for theists because the evil of hell "leads nowhere"—there is no future good to compensate for it.

3. Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, p. 1.

4. Kvanvig, The Problem of Hell, chap. 5. Kvanvig argues that any worldview affirming a traditional God together with "a religious outlook that has an eschatological component with afterlife significance" generates a problem of hell. If there is a highest good for human beings, there must be the possibility of failing to achieve it; if that failure becomes permanent, it is damnation.

5. For an introduction to skeptical theism, see Stephen J. Wykstra, "The Humean Obstacle to Evidential Arguments from Suffering: On Avoiding the Evils of 'Appearance,'" in The Problem of Evil, ed. Marilyn McCord Adams and Robert Merrihew Adams (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1990), 138–60.

6. Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, pp. 15–16. Manis notes that the usual methods of skeptical theism cannot be applied to the problem of hell, because the purpose of hell—unlike the purpose of other evils—has been declared by the very traditions that advocate its existence.

7. Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, chaps. 1–2. The problem of justice and the problem of love are treated in chapter 1; the doxastic problem (what I am here calling the problem of coercion) is treated in chapter 2. See also R. Zachary Manis, Thinking Through the Problem of Hell: The Divine Presence Model (Eugene, OR: Cascade, 2024), chaps. 2–4, for a more accessible treatment.

8. Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, pp. 18–19. This is the most common objection to traditionalism: infinite punishment for finite sins violates basic proportionality.

9. This argument traces back to Anselm’s Cur Deus Homo and was developed by Thomas Aquinas in Summa Theologiae, I-II, Q. 87, Art. 4. See Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, pp. 23–26, for a careful reconstruction.

10. Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, pp. 28–29.

11. Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, p. 28. Manis draws here on Marilyn McCord Adams’s argument about the metaphysical "size gap" between God and humans. See Marilyn McCord Adams, Horrendous Evils and the Goodness of God (Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press, 1999), 36–39.

12. Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, pp. 28–29. Manis uses the example of a dog that mauls a child: torturing the dog is not justice but irrational cruelty, and the absurdity grows as the ontological gap between offender and victim widens.

13. Manis formulates this as "the Principle": "Necessarily, an agent S1 loves (agapaō) an agent S2 only if S1 wills the highest good of S2, insofar as S1 is able." See Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, pp. 41–44.

14. Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, pp. 39–40. Retributive punishment, by definition, is not aimed at moral improvement, and therefore not aimed at the highest good of the punished.

15. See John E. Hare, The Moral Gap (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2002), 247; discussed in Jerry L. Walls, Heaven: The Logic of Eternal Joy (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2002), 47.

16. Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, pp. 40–41. A God who sacrifices the good of some to express love to others is not maximally loving toward every person.

17. W. G. T. Shedd, The Doctrine of Endless Punishment (Carlisle, PA: Banner of Truth Trust, [1885] 1998), 126. See Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, pp. 43–44, for the critique of this argument.

18. Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, pp. 43–44. The heroin-addict analogy is Manis’s: giving an addict more heroin respects their immediate desire but violates love because it does not will their highest good.

19. Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, p. 45.

20. Manis calls this the "doxastic problem" (from the Greek doxa, meaning "belief" or "opinion"). See Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, chap. 2. See also Manis, Thinking Through the Problem of Hell, chap. 4, "The problem of coercion."

21. Manis, Thinking Through the Problem of Hell, "The problem of coercion." The problem is that belief is not directly under voluntary control, and so punishing people for failing to believe seems to punish them for something they could not help.

22. Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, chap. 2. The conditions under which people form beliefs about God vary enormously—a point that has serious implications for any view of hell that ties eternal destiny to belief.

23. Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, pp. 4–7.

24. Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, pp. 5–6. Manis provides detailed lists of possible criteria in each of these categories.

25. As Manis notes, "no solution to the problem of hell could count as adequate for every person, or even for every ideally informed, intelligent, and intellectually honest person." Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, p. 7.

26. Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, p. 5.

27. 2 Peter 3:9: "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." See also 1 Timothy 2:4: "God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth."

28. Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, p. 8. Manis’s own minimal criteria require that a solution be "consonant with the tradition of perfect being theology, with its view of the divine nature as being comprised of all compossible great-making properties in their maximal forms."

29. Alexandre Kalomiros, The River of Fire (1980), sections I–III. Available at https://glory2godforallthings.com/the-river-of-fire-kalomiros/. Kalomiros argues that the Eastern church preserved the original apostolic understanding of God’s relationship to judgment and hell, while the West introduced a juridical framework foreign to Scripture.

30. Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, pp. 9–10. Manis aims to develop the divine presence model as a theodicy—not merely a bare defense but a plausible explanation of how God’s goodness and hell’s reality fit together.

31. Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, pp. 9–10. The distinction between a "defense" (showing mere logical possibility) and a "theodicy" (offering a plausible explanation) traces back to Alvin Plantinga’s famous Free Will Defense. See Alvin Plantinga, The Nature of Necessity (Oxford: Clarendon, 1982), chap. 9.

32. Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, pp. 1–2.

33. For a thorough defense of this view, see John F. Walvoord, "The Literal View," in Four Views on Hell, 2nd ed. (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2016). See also Robert A. Peterson’s case in Edward William Fudge and Robert A. Peterson, Two Views of Hell: A Biblical and Theological Dialogue (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2000).

34. These passages will be given full exegetical treatment in Chapters 18–22 of this book.

35. For Edwards’s famous articulation, see Jonathan Edwards, "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" (1741). For an overview of the tradition, see Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, Part I, chap. 1.

36. Jerry L. Walls, Hell: The Logic of Damnation (Notre Dame, IN: University of Notre Dame Press, 1992), Introduction. Walls notes the dramatic shift from near-universal belief in hell in Edwards’s day to widespread skepticism in the modern era.

37. For the most comprehensive defense of this view, see Edward W. Fudge, The Fire That Consumes: A Biblical and Historical Study of the Doctrine of Final Punishment, 3rd ed. (Eugene, OR: Cascade, 2011). See also Fudge’s case in Two Views of Hell.

38. Fudge, "The Case for Conditionalism," in Two Views of Hell. Fudge argues that the overwhelming biblical language is that of death, destruction, and perishing, not of endless conscious suffering. See also John R. W. Stott, "Judgment and Hell," in Evangelical Essentials: A Liberal-Evangelical Dialogue, with David L. Edwards (London: Hodder & Stoughton, 1988), 312–20.

39. This is precisely the gap that the divine presence model aims to fill. As we will see, Baker’s character "Otto" in Razing Hell provides a powerful illustration of how the divine presence model can serve as the mechanism for conditional immortality: the wicked are not destroyed by an arbitrary act of divine power but consumed by the very love they refuse to receive. See Sharon L. Baker, Razing Hell: Rethinking Everything You’ve Been Taught about God’s Wrath and Judgment (Louisville: Westminster John Knox, 2010), chaps. 9–11.

40. For a rigorous philosophical defense of universalism, see Thomas Talbott, The Inescapable Love of God, 2nd ed. (Eugene, OR: Cascade, 2014). For a powerful theological-philosophical argument, see David Bentley Hart, That All Shall Be Saved: Heaven, Hell, and Universal Salvation (New Haven: Yale University Press, 2019).

41. For a thorough survey of the universal-scope texts, see Gerry Beauchemin, Hope Beyond Hell: The Righteous Purpose of God’s Judgment (Olmito, TX: Malista, 2007), chap. 2.

42. Gregory of Nyssa, On the Soul and the Resurrection. See also Baker, Razing Hell, pp. xiii–xiv, for a summary of the early Fathers who opposed eternal torment.

43. Walls, Hell: The Logic of Damnation, chap. 3. Walls argues that a robust doctrine of human freedom creates serious problems for universalism.

44. For a sophisticated philosophical development of this view, see Walls, Hell: The Logic of Damnation, chaps. 5–6. See also Eleonore Stump, "The Problem of Evil," Faith & Philosophy 2, no. 4 (1985): 392–423.

45. C. S. Lewis, The Great Divorce (1946; repr., New York: HarperCollins, 2001). The famous line: "There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, ‘Thy will be done,’ and those to whom God says, in the end, ‘Thy will be done.’"

46. Walls, Hell: The Logic of Damnation, chaps. 5–6; Stump, "The Problem of Evil." Kvanvig also develops a version of this view in The Problem of Hell, chaps. 3–4.

47. Thomas Talbott, The Inescapable Love of God, 2nd ed., chap. 11. Talbott presses this objection against the choice model with great force.

48. Talbott, The Inescapable Love of God, chaps. 10–11. Talbott argues that no rational person would choose eternal misery if they truly understood what they were choosing, and that the conditions under which people reject God are always conditions of self-deception.

49. Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, p. 7. Manis observes: "traditionalism enjoys the strongest support from the Christian tradition; annihilationism may well enjoy the strongest (purely) biblical support; and universalism seems to me to enjoy the strongest support from philosophical, theological, and moral intuitions and reasoning."

50. This is one of the central insights of the divine presence model. See Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, Introduction; Baker, Razing Hell, chap. 2; Kalomiros, The River of Fire, sections I–II.

51. Baker, Razing Hell, p. xi.

52. Kalomiros, The River of Fire, sections I–II. Kalomiros argues that the Western image of God as an angry, punishing judge is the greatest slander ever committed against the Christian God, and that it was accomplished not by atheists but by theologians.

53. Hebrews 12:29: "For our God is a consuming fire." See also Isaiah 6:1–5, where the prophet Isaiah encounters the holiness of God and cries out, "Woe to me! I am ruined!"

54. This is the central thesis of the divine presence model. See Manis, Sinners in the Presence of a Loving God, Part III; Baker, Razing Hell, chap. 9; Kalomiros, The River of Fire, sections XIV–XVII.

55. See the principle of sensus fidelium—the consensus of the faithful—as a criterion for theological judgment. The weight of tradition is a genuine factor in theological reasoning, though it is not the only factor and cannot override the witness of Scripture.

56. Baker, Razing Hell, pp. xiii–xiv. Baker notes that Irenaeus, Origen, Clement of Alexandria, and Gregory of Nyssa all objected to notions of hell that depict God as an angry judge inflicting eternal torment for temporal sins. See also Ilaria Ramelli, The Christian Doctrine of Apokatastasis: A Critical Assessment from the New Testament to Eriugena (Leiden: Brill, 2013), for the most comprehensive scholarly study of universalism in the early church.

57. Isaac the Syrian, Ascetical Homilies, Homily 84: "Those who are suffering in hell are suffering in being scourged by love." See also Kalomiros, The River of Fire, section XIV; Metropolitan Hierotheos Vlachos, Life After Death (Levadia, Greece: Birth of the Theotokos Monastery, 1996).

58. The Apostles’ Creed, the Nicene Creed, and the Chalcedonian Definition do not define the mechanics of hell. They affirm the resurrection of the dead, the final judgment, and the life of the world to come. The divine presence model is fully consistent with all three creeds.

59. Kalomiros, The River of Fire, section I. Kalomiros argues that the West’s juridical image of God—God as offended judge demanding infinite satisfaction—is the primary reason for the rise of atheism in the modern era.

60. Baker, Razing Hell, pp. xi–xiii. Baker describes friends and students who struggle deeply with the doctrine of hell—not because their faith is weak, but because they cannot reconcile the love of God with the horror of eternal torment.

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